Last Update:  June 11, 2007
This section was inspired by Andrew Brandon's Rumorweb.  Anyone interested in exploring abandoned sites should
check it out.   Unfortunately, Mr. Brandon has not been able to update the site as often recently, but there is still a lot of
interesting information on there.  (Note: the site has been down for some time, but they are working on getting it back up at
some point)  If you haven't had a chance yet, because you've arrived here from a search engine, be sure to check out my
Abandoned Railroads Website.

This page will basically be my own rumor page about abandoned railroad sites.   These are sites that I've either read about
(such as on the above mentioned Rumorweb) or heard about verbally.   I will list as much information as I know.   What I'd like
to know from  you, is if you have anything to further to add, either confirming or dispelling these rumors.  Any information is
welcome, even if it's just a guess or opinion.  My goal is to eventually locate these sites and record what history that contain,
if in fact they exist.  So far, I've found two.  The
Ring of Fire wreck site and an Abandoned Idaho Climax.  Because their
existence has been confirmed they aren't listed here and have their own pages on this site.  Any and all information is more
than welcome, even if you want to share information about a rumor that is not currently on this page.

Brian McCamish
Gresham, Oregon
As always, you can Email me anytime with any comments, suggestions, tips, especially information
about these or any other rumors or anything else you'd like to share or mention.
RUMORS about Abandoned Sites
RUMORS regarding abandoned railroad related sites that I've heard, but would like further information about.  If you
know anything more, even if it's just more rumor, please
Abandoned  Logging Railroad Trucks on the Kerry Railroad

This rumor has been confirmed by numerous sources, however, after several trips I've been unable to locate the site.   Apparently, sometime in
2005, some loggers came across what has been described as logging railroad trucks and wheels that were abandoned on a railroad grade
near the modern day logging operation.   The site is on State Forest land.  The loggers also found a torpedo fuel tank which was used by the
Kerry Railroad loggers to transport fuel to remote donkeys via high lines.   That piece of equipment was recovered and will apparently go on
display at the Camp 18 museum later this year.

I don't know the exact location of the trucks, but I do know where the logging took place and I have plotted out all the abandoned spur grades in
that area.  Most of the grades have been explored by us, but to no avail.   At this point, I need to track down the people who actually found the
trucks and try to get a better location.

Refer to my Kerry Railroad Page
Abandoned  Locomotive of the Bradley-Woodard Company

This all started when a reader was kind enough to send me some photos he recently took of a Shay water tank that he found in the woods south
of Bradwood, Oregon, on Nicolai Mountain.    He had clearly stumbled upon a Shay water tank, but what it was doing out there and who it
belonged to was a mystery.   The tank was found on a railroad grade that was not far from a logging road, but the grade itself was original and
never converted over to a logging road.   The reader went on to note that he discovered the remains of a water tank, three collapsed bridges and
several misc. metal pieces within one mile of the tank.   After noting the location on a map, from the reader's description, I've concluded that the
grade was a spur of the Bradley-Woodard Company which logged that area from 1930-1940, using several Shay locomotives.

Another reader pointed out that he told years ago, by the wife of the Bradley-Woodard owner that a Shay did fall through a trestle and cause quite
a bit of trouble for the line, but no details were given as to the location.   The same reader pointed out that his brother did find what appeared to be
the remains of a locomotive boiler and possibly frame on Nicolai mountain, but never saw a Shay water tank.   As it turns out, the found
locomotive remains were located much further away and itself is another, but seperate mystery.    I now believe the likely source of the water tank
was a locomotive that was scrapped on site, with the water tank and remains of the air tank left behind, but the rest of the locomotive taken way.  I
believe these parts belonged to the previously mentioned Shay fell through the trestle, but are all that remain of it today.  However, which Shay
this was is not clear, as there are no known records of the wrecked Bradly-Woodard Shay.

Check out this page of my site for numerous photos of the Shay parts and further information.
Abandoned Locomotive of the Kerry Timber Railroad?

This rumor is very ambiguous.   A reader told me that he recently spoke with a decedent of the Kerry family which operated the Kerry Timber
Railroad from the 1920s through the early 1930s, from near Westport, Oregon, deep into the interior.  That person told him that a Kerry Timber
Company locomotive was left behind in the woods when the operation shut down.   No further details or information was given.   Here's my
feelings on the matter.   A  number of operators cut spurs on the line during the years that the Kerry Line operated.   Dozens of different locos
were used.   I have heard stories, directly from Kerry records of fires trapping locomotives behind collasped trestles.  However, there was no
mention if the trestles were rebuilt.   A major fire burnt a number of trestles in the early 1930s on the south end of the line.  It's possible a loco
might have been trapped and left behind, although it was likely scrapped as much as possible.    By the time World War Two and the scrap drives
arrived, the Kerry line was completely abandoned and reaching any abandoned locos, probably would not have been worth the effort.

Is there still the remains of a loco out there?  Very possible.
Abandoned Locomotive near Westport, Oregon

This rumor is a\so very ambiguous.   A reader emailed and said that a lady claimed to know about a locomotive in a steep canyon behind
Westport, Oregon.  She said that she found it as a child.   However, there is no additional information.   We do know that a tunnel exists in
because I have a page on it.   We also know the likely route of the line that ran south out of Westport, at least for few miles.  
There's not much available history on this line, but it's possible a loco left the tracks and fell into the canyon and was left behind if cranes or other
equipment couldn't pass through the tunnel to get it out.   It's also possible that she might have found a steam donkey and not an actual
locomotive.   It's temping to hike the canyon, since at least this one has some better clues to it's exact location.
Abandoned Locomotive near Idaville, Oregon

A reader sent me this email.  I don' t have any further info, except that I think I have a rough idea where the logging railroad might have run.

I was wondering if you have any information on a logging railroad out of Idaville, OR in Tillamook County.  I have talked with a few people and
they have told me that the line connected to the SP a little south a Bay City.  The line went through or near Idaville into the mountains.  There is
also a rumor of an abandoned steam locomotive in the hills somewhere.
The abandoned locomotive near Black Rock, Oregon

I've have talked to so many people who've heard this rumor.   It's definitely not a secret.  The problem is, nobody seems to know where it is.  And
many folks believe the story is actually bunk.  However, it was taken seriously enough that a number of locals have been searching for it for
Here is the direct link to Rumor Web's version of the story.

Basically, the story goes like this.   At some unknown date, an unknown type of steam locomotive and crew were pulling up rail on an abandoned
logging line near Black Rock, Oregon.    One of the bridges collapsed for unknown reasons trapping the locomotive and at least one car full of
salvaged rail.    The crew walked out and left the locomotive behind, where it's supposedly been left ever since.

The interesting part of the story is that locals who have talked to old timers, recount specific details, such as the seeing the brass bell still on the
locomotive as it was left behind.  Also, the fact that this rumor persists so much and has caused everyone, including Forest Officials to look for it,
makes one wonder if it's true.  The description of the site would actually make it fairly easy to narrow down the possibilities as all you need to do
is plot out all the railroads that were built, then eliminate, with USGS maps those lines that were later converted to truck roads.   Then explore
those unconverted routes that were proximate to bridges that probably collapsed.

There are a few problems however.   While a number of railroads operated in this area, many were later converted over to logging roads.   In
addition, this area of the mountains was not far from several towns and have been throughly gone over by locals, hunters, fisherman, explorers
and especially loggers.   It's hard to believe that no one other than a few old timers, most of which have passed on, have actually seen the
locomotive.  It's also hard to believe that it wouldn't have been salvaged at some point.  However, if it was abandoned after  World War Two, scrap
steel was not as valuable as during the war, and equipment that was abandoned in the mid to late 40s or 50s were often just left where it broke
down or lay.

One final note.  It's often been suggested that an abandoned steam donkey was mistaken for a locomotive.    A number were abandoned in the
woods over the years and certainly would have existed for people to find.  One notable one used to be located near Berry Creek Falls, southeast
of Falls City, Oregon.   It's been suggested that this might have been the "lost locomotive".   That steam donkey was later recovered and put on
display at a private residence in town.
Abandoned  Caboose and Log cars near Knappton, Washington?

This rumor is a little unique, because I'm the one starting the rumor.   How it happened is that I was browsing a message board about logging,
when I came across message from someone noting that the person was curious if a Naselle River Logging Caboose and log cars were still
near Bean Creek.   This area is located in southwestern Washington, north of Knappton, Washington, which is not a town, but rather a local.  The
nearest town would be Astoria, Oregon, just across the Columbia River.    I have absolutely no other information at this time, so any insight would
be really helpful.   

In looking at my USGS maps I can see that this area did in fact have a logging railroad that ran through it, including right next to Bean Creek.  I
also noted that no town and few houses exist in this area.  So, I assumed that any caboose or log cars that were in this area were likely
abandoned, rather than on public display.    I'd sure like to know more if anyone can fill me in.   If no information comes up, then I'll be forced to let
curiosity get the better of me and take a drive out there myself.

Update:  I've been emailed by people who have lived in and logged the area and they have no knowledge of any abandoned log cars in that area.
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The abandoned trucks were found by us in the summer, 2007.   You can see the photos and the documented search for this
historical site
on this page of my Kerry Railroad article.

The likelihood of an abandoned Shay on this line is slim, but on our last visit, we found a cable going into the side of a fill
where a trestle used to exist on a remote section.   On a future visit we plan to dig down to see what this cable is attached too.

After exploring miles and miles of the Kerry Railroad mainline and its spurs all the way to the southern terminus, we've come
to the conclusion that very little was left behind that was not either scrapped at the time of abandonment or scrapped in later
years.   The likelihood of a steam locomotive abandoned on the Kerry line is extremely unlikely at this point.